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Post by yello62 on Jun 10, 2013 8:50:40 GMT
i have a question for the more seasoned amongst us about being exercised.
i have two jun13 credit spreads that are way in the money. i was looking to roll to give the underlyings more time to come back to me but i would end up paying for the duration, which i understand is generally considered a no-no. when looking at the cost to extend duration versus letting the positions go to expiration, i know both sides will be exercised, which leads to a few questions.
1) will i be charged the exercise fee for both sides or, since this is a vertical and technically considered one position, will there only be one exercise fee? i asked my tdameritrade rep and he was not certain.
2). if extending duration gives me an opportunity to not have to pay the exercise fees, which increase the loss significantly for me, even if it is only one fee for the spread, why not pay a small amount to give the position more time, even if all i get out of this is a scratch?
thanks for any and all feedback.
tony
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Post by shelly on Jun 10, 2013 11:42:25 GMT
I am not very seasoned but I have been in this situation and TD told me it was 15.00 per line for exercise fee. I hope that helps. That is the trouble with verts they are very hard to manage, I think. When I have them on I want to let the probabilites work and I don't want to manage them to much because they are defined risk but when they are on the dance floor I always think why roll they may work and then when they don't its to late.
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Post by ThetaJunkie on Jun 10, 2013 12:19:10 GMT
1) will i be charged the exercise fee for both sides or, since this is a vertical and technically considered one position, will there only be one exercise fee? i asked my tdameritrade rep and he was not certain. Its $15 per line; so a credit spread is $30; a butterfly is $45. Condor (NOT Iron Condor) is $60 I believe. It just never seems to work out when I do that. If I wait to roll there is a big debit cost. If I roll early, the underlying comes back before the earlier expiration [IWM I'm looking at you] where my original position would have been a scratch or small win but the rolled position didn't get to a scratch. then the underlying reversed and I ended up losing anyway. Now I just pay a dollar or 2 over full loss to get out at end of expiration.
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Post by yello62 on Jun 10, 2013 19:22:56 GMT
theta-j,
are you saying that you wait until the week of expiration and close the position at whatever the close price is?
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Post by ThetaJunkie on Jun 10, 2013 20:34:15 GMT
theta-j, are you saying that you wait until the week of expiration and close the position at whatever the close price is? If both legs are ITM then yes I wait until the last day I realized I wrote "I pay a dollar or two". That should be "a penny or two" (which converts to a dollar or two). So a $1 wide spread, I'll close for 1.01, 1.02
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Post by yello62 on Jun 10, 2013 21:08:58 GMT
interesting.
yeah, both sides of both of these two remaining verticals are way in the money.
thanks for the info. this is helpful.
tony
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